Delpit

Delpit:

Before you read: I use generalizations when talking about subjects or groups that I am not familiar with. I do this because I dont want to use any specific terms that could be wrong. I also tend to generalize more when speaking about particular groups so not to offend anyone in the group.


Summary:  Delpit's essay "The Politics of Teaching Literate Discourse"  Is about teaching literate discourse in the class room. It really looks at how teachers try to take away minorities own discourse and replacing it with the mainstream discourse. She uses the store of Marge and Susan. and also the story of the football inner city kid who is told to get his grades up or lose football.  She looks at the issue of trying to main stream minorities as a form of oppression.

Synthesis: Lisa Delpit can compare to Gee, because she specifically uses Gee to compare her own thoughts to. She things Gee's argument has problems in which she adresses her reasons. First she thinks that Gee's notion that people not more into a dominate discourse will find it difficult to get in is problematic. She talks about Gees identity kit as well.  Delpit also connects to Bell hooks. Bell Hooks writes of the consequences to this teaching methodology. Bell hooks also talks about how teaches didnt recognize the need for african american students to have access to many voices and to maintain their own voice. Lastly Delpit connects to Vilanuevea because both authors touch on the importance of group of people knowing their heritage.

Response	Quotation
I think this is true to some extent. I take my home town area for instance and looks at the suburb schools versus Dayton public schools where most of the kids are from low income families, Dayton the city is not the nicest place to live. There are always news stories where teachers are trying to do what is best for the kids in school, but at times they feel it is hopeless because of the children's background.	" Instead of being locked into "your place" by your genes, you are now locked hopelessly into a lower-class status by your discourse. Clearly, such a stance can leave a teacher feeling powerless to effect change, and a student feeling hopeless that change can occur. "
I think this goes back to what we taked about with villanuevea, assimilation, if you try to teach mainstream discourse, its kind of like pushing their heritage out of their life.	" The sensitive teacher might well conclude that even to try to teach a dominant discourse to students who are members of a non dominant oppressed group would be to oppress them further. "
This is changing more in todays society I think. because more whites and african americans are on the same level of education	"you must do twice as well as white people to be considered half as good"
Its important for teachers to help students envision a future. if their discourse at home is what they see from their family, and if it isnt much they are going to need some vision, some goal to strive for so that they can reach potential.	" Trent recalls that growing up in the "inner city" he had no conception of life beyond high school, but his high school teachers helped him to envision one. "
If you put in the effort and work had you can achieve your goals.	"you can and you will do well"
The issue is whether secondary discourse should be taught in the class room. and I think it should to an extent. I think the secondary discourse should be taught to help students have a bright future. I dont think it should be used to oppress them though.	"But the issue is not only whether students can learn a dominant secondary discourse in the classroom, perhaps the more significant issue is, should they attempt to do so. "

AE4:  they should help students envision a future. strive to meet their full potential with grades. but teachers should let students use their own dialect of their culture and home discourse.

Thoughts: I thought this essay was good. I like that it was Delpit comparing to Gee and Bell Hooks because those were previous authors we had read. I tend to agree with Gee in the fact that if you are born or not born into a dominate group you will find it hard to get into it or out of it depending on the situation. with that said though, I dont think that minorities are locked into  "your place" so to speak because into todays society there are many many opportunities for everyone to achieve success.

Flynn

Flynn:

Before you read:  I had a teacher in middle school who always talked to the guys about sports, college football and basketball, he would only talk to the guys about sports, and I took offense to that because I followed college football and basketball religiously, but my thoughts did not matter since the teacher would only talk to the guys, sometimes the guys knew less about the particular game than I did.

Summary: Flynn's article composing as women focuses on feminism. She explains interesting differences between boys and girls relationships with others, including their mother and father figures. Also she talks about the differences in girls and boy writing as students for school.

Synthesis: Flynn's article "composing as women can be related to Milanowitz, both authors talk about identity effecting a students writing. In Flynn's case it is the difference between male and female, and Milanowitz, is discussing sexuality. Flynn can also be connected to Wysocki, she talked about females being used in a provocative was in advertising. How women are looked at sometimes as items rather than as people. This also connects to Berger in the same way. "ways of seeing" was about women being posed for painting and how women are still posed for photos today. How these photos portray an identity for the women that can effect her in the world and in her writing.

Response	Quotation
I liked this quote because in todays society it is important that girls understand that they can make in the the world of professions just as much as guys can.	"it is not easy to think like a women in a man's world, in the world of the professions, yet the capacity to do that is a strength which we can try to help our students develop"
This quote is so true. since the beginning of history it has always been men that have dominated. but as time has continued on. you see how differences between men and women are slowly being erased so that they can be equal in society. we see changes in salaries  stereo typing jobs to genders. we see more stay at home dads instead of only moms.. etc.	"The argue that men have chronicled our historical narratives and defined our fields of inquiry. Women's perspectives have been suppressed, silenced, marginalized, written out of what counts as authoritative knowledge. Difference is erased in a desire to universalize."
This is something that is always talked about when new children are born, like how children form bonds with a specific parent right away. I never thought of how that may effect the child when learning to communicate with others later down the line in life.	"Girls identification processes, then , are more continuously embedded in and mediated by their ongoing relationship with their mothers... A boys identification processes are not likely to be so embedded in or mediated by a real affective relation to his father. At the same time, he tends to deny identification with and relationship to his mother and reject what he takes to be the feminine world."
I thought this was interesting because I had never thought of this before, but it seems to be true. I think it would be fun to look at what every one in our class would write about and see if guys and girls meet these gender writing types.	"The narratives of female students are stories of interaction, of connection or frustrated connection. The narratives of the male students are stories of achievement of separation  or of frustrated achievement. "

QD 3: Silencing of women's voices relates to the marginalizing of minority groups because the majority group dominate over the minority like men have done to women for decades, making the minority voice smaller and smaller till soon they wont have a voice, and they will have to go through a suffrage movement to win it back.

Thoughts: Overall I did not mind Flynn I thought her points were interesting. and her perspective about gender was good. I liked that it was shorter than what we have been reading and she used examples that helped further her point about male and female students writing being effected by their gender.

Project 3 progress report

Project three has started slowly. I have written a portion of the introduction. and I posted my interview questions to a group on facebook that contains many members from the discourse community I am looking at. I have received a few responses and I am hoping for more in the next two days. Otherwise my plan for wednesday and thursday is to really form my ideas and the main arguments of my paper. and then finalize what needs to be finalized on friday.

Villanueva

Villanueva:

Before you read:
Last year I took a comparative religion class, and we would have guest speakers come in to speak about the ins and outs of their particular religion. During the time we were learning about Islam we had a muslim come to speak to our class. At first I was skeptical about Islam because of the stereotypes that are labeled with it. After meeting the speaker, and hearing about the religion my mind was opened to new ideas, and helped break down those stereotypes. 


Summary: Villanueva's essay "memoria is a friend of ours: on the discourses of color is about the discourse communities that different races, or ethnicity's form. He uses examples of poems written by people that come from these communities. He also talks about how the rhetoric is connected to these communities. 

Synthesis: Villanueva can be synthesized with porter intertextuality and discourse community because this esay also talks about discourse community.  It can be connected to Heilker and Yergeau because hat one connects rhetoric and the discourse community of autism together like the essay by Villanueva talks about how rhetoric connects to the minority discourse communities. Villanueva can connect to all the other authors that mention discourse community. and lastly Villanueva relates to language because he talks about the importance of passing the culture and language down to children and talking to elders about stories of the culture. 

Response	Quotation
	"And I'd say the need to reclaim and retain the memory of the imperial lords, those who have forcibly changed the identities of people of color through colonization. "
I liked this quote because it is always special to grandparents when they talk to their grandchildren and it would make it even more special for the child to call their grandfather abuelo. to continue the culture.	"Remember to call your grandpa abuelo. He'll like the sound of that, since none of my sister's kids have called him that."
I think no matter if you are belong to a minority or not you always are affected by racism.	"Yet little things happen that betray the underlying racism that affects us all, no matter how appalled by racism we might be."
I thought this was interesting. because its true when I look at my	"Those of us who are light-skinned don't pass for white; we're just not automatically sorted into the appropriate slot."
From an academic standpoint the minority races seem to group themselves together. At school you tend to see the same cultural groups eat together at meals and hangout in the same clubs. this helps them form a stronger discourse community.	"Academic discourse tries, after all, to reach the Aristotelian ideal of being completely logocentric, though it cannot be freed of the ethical appeal to authority."
"Reading this I wish I knew more about my own heritage, anytime I ask my family where our ancestors came from."	"Now some part of that first impulse reasserts itself, fictionalizing, telling the story, reaching back to the heritage that is at risk of passing away quickly."

AE: after googling the phrase it says the phrase meant to imply  something like “improving oneself by one’s own efforts”  I think that in order for a group to gain status in america they need to hold on to their own culture and heritage.

Thoughts: I didn't connect with this article very well, I thought it was slightly boring. and I just don't connect to writing thats in a different language. I thought it was harder to understand because i didn't connect to the reading. I do think that it is important for children to talk to their elders about their background because elders like talking about that sort of thing. and it also lets the kids be more aware of cultures.

Heilker and Yergeau

Heilker and Yergeau:

Summary: In Heilker and Yergeau's essay Autism and Rhetoric they list examples of how autism is more in the media today to bring awareness such as, Parenthood, a tv show on NBC its story line is about a family with an autistic child. The essay continues to say how autism is still on of he greatest mysteries of medicine. Heilker and Yergeau tell their perspectives of autism in a story form. Heilker having a son that is autistic and Yergeau being autistic herself. They both share views of how autism is a rhetoric.

Synthesis: I think this can first connect to Devitt. Devitt explores the use genre in a discourse community, a person with autism would use different genres than "neurotypicals" to learn the same thing. This is what helps form the community of individuals with autism. This connects to Gee because gee says that discourses can over lap. An autistic student brings their disability into other discourses they find them selfs in. Maybe they are really good at art, or music, they can use the genres they learn in the discourse community, in their art or music. Heilker and Yergeau can relate to swales but not because they are similar. Doctors and specialist while they are experts on the topic of autism they do not share the same thoughts as the people with autism.

Response	Quotation
I think it is really sad that she had to feel less than everyone else. People with autism can be just as talented and intelligent as people with out autism. and they may even excel at thing people without autism cant.	"For instance, I grew up understanding autism (that is, my way of being in the world through language, through invention, structure, and style) as distinctly"less than"."
this is just one example of how a child/ person with autism can be bright and see things that others may not see.	"The second of these is Eli's remarkable ability to find points of intersection between divergent data sets"
it is important that people with out autism are open to learn about it, how to interact with people who are autistic. the best way to learn the about it is to listen.	"Ratcliffe writes: "rhetorical listening signifies a stance of openness that a person may choose to assume in cross-cultural exchanges"
I had never thought of how the puzzle piece of Autism speaks could be so miss leading and judgmental.	" Puzzle pieces hold a special place in my heart. that is, i hate them. They symbolize so much of what is wrong with popular autism discourse - representing autistic people as puzzling, mysterious  less than human entities who are "short a few cognitive pieces, who are utterly self contained, disconnected and need to fit in. :
I remember in school, there were classes for the "lower"vs "high functioning" autistic children. They are all children who deserve the best education, and are all talented in their own ways.	"By virtue of achieving this normalized concept of success, i'm categorized as "high functioning" autistic.
What is normal?  are you normal, am I normal is the kid you sit next to that may have autism normal.	"As Corder concludes, "there is no normality" we search for inventive structural stylistic contextual sets that will give, amid some pain, some peace of understanding or fruitful work or whatever one can find to live with"

Thoughts:  I thought this was an interesting essay. I liked that it was Heilker and Yergeau own voices throughout, and that they used their own stories to make their points.  I could connect with the reading because my mom works as a special education aid in an elementary school. I love going into school with her and talking to the kids because they always have such interesting stories and things to say. And they enjoy being listened to.  When this essay talked about labeling students I could relate to hearing about the different labels of students within the school.

Project #3

I would like to explore the discourse community of my dance studio. And argue how it is a discourse community. I have been taking dance lessons at the same studio for 15 years, all different styles. The studio itself has been owned an run my Wendy Streib for 50 years. I would like to interview past, and current members, as well as some of the teachers. I myself was a student teacher for 4 years. Dancing for Miss Wendy has been my life. Ill look at Swales characteristics for a discourse community, and I'll look at Gee "D" discourse how both fit in to the studio community.